Donald Trump Jr killed rare endangered sheep in Mongolia
We begin with animal news stores from around the world including ten grizzlies welcomed at Colorado’s Wild Animal Sanctuary, Donald Trump, Jr. kills protected argali sheep in Mongolia, NY violinist soothes shelter dogs, fallen elderly woman rescued due to actions of pit bull, Simba, and more.
The American Bald eagle in our Culture
Peter then welcomes Preston Cook, author of American Eagle – A Visual History of our National Emblem. This atlas features full color images of The American Bald eagle in our Culture as depicted in many aspects of American history and culture
Why Animals are like Humans
And to conclude, Peter chats with another author, Christopher Lloyd, about his new book, Humanimal – Incredible Ways Animals are Just like us. He discusses Why Animals are like Humans and he has some very interesting insights. Both books are highly recommended!
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Dr Lori Kirshner: Welcome to animals today. Your home for serious. Talk about animals. I’m dr Lori Kirshner. Lots of animal news this week to report to you, which we start with Peter.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Hello, I say we start with beer. Beer. Okay, I’m ready. When you go to Portland you should visit Fido’s. It’s the first craft beer taproom that also has adoptable rescue dogs. You like that? Yeah. Yeah. So in addition to the taps of craft beer and siren wine, there’s a lot of human food and you can also visit the rescue dogs that live in a special Fido room and ,out isn’t that. Cool. That’s so cool. Are the rescue dogs able to intermingle with the customers? Well, the customers can go see and play with the dogs in a different area. They have to sign a liability release and then they are charged $4 for 30 minutes to enter and that covers the cost and supports the charities that are involved.
Dr Peter Spiegel: And the background is a pretty interesting, the owner has a nice video where he explains that he was severely depressed and the love of his companion dog really helped him get through it and it inspired him , also, He liked the idea of a cat cafe that he saw because Those are known things. So what’s more Portland than craft beer, food dogs and charities. So there you . I.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Just love it. There needs to be a law, like a federal law. You can open up a pub or you’re going to open up a beer tap room. You have to have at least five homeless animals residing in your place of business up for adoption ..do you need a Special permit to do this. I mean there must be some health inspectors, regulation, having animals where they serve food except for service dogs. Of course.
Dr Peter Spiegel: You know, in my reading I didn’t see anything about that.
Dr Peter Spiegel: But evidently they’ve got that problem figured out. In fact, you can bring your own dog to Fido’s not to play with the rescue dogs, but they’ve got a patio and you can hang out there. The health code does not permit pets other than registered service animals to enter the actual eating drinking establishment. So there you go. So I liked this place. It looks really interesting and if we ever make it to Portland, I think we’ll go there to be like, so go visit Fido’s my next career proprietor a Fido’s part two.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Okay, Lori, here’s another item having to do with an orangutan name is Sandra. Okay. Have you heard about Sandra? She is from Argentina and in a landmark 2015 court decision there in Argentina, she was granted the status of personhood. So even though she was not human, she has got an extra higher level of rights that make her a person.
Dr Peter Spiegel: So you just can’t buy and sell her and you can’t confine her and you’ve got to give her the best life possible. Isn’t that interesting? And I’ve been following this idea of nonhuman personhood back here in the States. Visa Vie the nonhuman rights project and Steven Wise is the leader of that organization. And this shows you that other countries are ahead of the United States in dealing with this concept of the nonhuman animals having this higher level of status, particularly when they are highly intelligent and self-aware, such as your assertations and your great apes. Right? So the idea of granting personhood to a mollusc, I mean, that doesn’t make sense, but you’ve got a smart, sentient animal. They should have a greater rights than just being bought and sold. So Sandra ends up in the United States. And where is she going? She is going to retire in Florida.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Well, I don’t know if she’s going to retire, but she is going to her new home, the center for great apes, which is in Florida, and this is a sanctuary for lots of great apes, a really wonderful place.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Well, the other apes at the sanctuary are going to be quite envious that Sandra has a personhood status now.
Dr Peter Spiegel: You know, that’s a really good point. So now that she’s moved to the United States where this concept is not really accepted yet, does her personhood status come along with her or did she have to let that go? Well, either way, I know they will take very good care of her for entire life at the sanctuary.
Dr Lori Kirshner: You bet. What else you got there Peter?
Dr Peter Spiegel: This is a real good one. Also having to do with 10 grizzly bears. They were in the Mendoza Zoological Park in Argentina and that was a zoo and the zoo was closed down after a lot of protests and they were transported, flown to the wild animal sanctuary in Colorado.
Dr Peter Spiegel: We’ve been there, that’s a great place. And that facility is in Keansburg, which is North of Denver and they have acquired and are building out another huge new property which is near Springfield. And a 50 acre habitat is where these Grizzlies are going to go. Right now they are getting acclimated to their new home in Keansburg. You know, not many places can take on 10 brand new grizzly bears. So they are really doing something special. And certainly these bears are going to have a much better life in Colorado compared to the little crappy zoo in Argentina. So we look forward to visiting these bears and seeing how they’re doing and visiting the wild animal sanctuary again. And Lori, I just want to tell listeners, if you go to Denver for any reason, try to add a little trip to that place to your plan, you’re going to really be impressed with what they’re doing there.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Peter, talk about the elevated viewing walkway that they built there.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Oh yeah. This is a really neat thing. Once you spend some time in their visitor center, which is a really a huge building by itself that empties out into a elevated walkway, You’re like 40 feet or something above the ground and below you are these huge areas for the various animals that they’ve got there. They’ve got a lot of big cats, they’ve got bears and wolves and one of the amazing things that they figured out there is that as you’re walking above the animals, they’re not bothered by you. They are innately not scared or even aware that there are people above them. It’s just not a scary thing to them. They’re only used to seeing prey and predators at eye level on the ground. So it’s very tranquil and they don’t try to interact. They just doing their usual thing and you’re above them, it’s a very natural.
Dr Lori Kirshner: They pay no mind to you up there.
Dr Peter Spiegel: So you’ll want to do that. The walkway is about a mile long and it’s really worth visiting.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Okay. Can I throw one in here? One of my favorite things to rant about. So as you know, one of Donald Trump Junior’s hobbies is big game hunting. What hobbies do you enjoy? Oh, bullying basket weaving. Oh and killing beautiful, innocent, majestic animals for fun. We’ve talked about him or ranted about him on the show before about his love for killing. And by the way, despite both of the president’s sons being avid, big game trophy hunters, president Trump has spoken out against the practice. Anyway, a new controversy over Trump Jr’s hunting trip, which took place this past summer. There was an article published last week. You can check it out. The title of the article is called Donald Trump. Jr went to Mongolia, got special treatment from the government and killed an endangered sheep. So Donald Trump Jr’s trip to Mongolia this past summer, he hunted and killed a rare Argali sheep. You would recognize what these beautiful animals look like if he saw a picture of one. The males have large, curved horns, Argali sheep are the largest living wild sheep native to the Highlands of central Asia. Argali is a Mongolian word for Ram and they’re considered national treasure in Mongolia. According to ProPublica, a permit for the killing was retroactively issued after Trump jr met with the country’s president and after he left the country. H ?
Dr Lori Kirshner: Apparently it’s unusual for permits to be issued retroactively after the Hunter leaves the country, but I guess if you’re the son of the United States president, it can happen. Or vice-president, right. According to the president of humane said the United States Kitty Block, It’s obvious why the trophy hunting portion of Donald Trump’s junior summer trip to Mongolia wasn’t shared and why the relevant federal agencies have no common audit. Now the trophy hunting of Argali sheep, an animal listed under the endangered species act and whose numbers are dwindling is indefensible and the hasty process of after the fact permitting is downright deceitful. According to sir Edmondson, president of the humane society, legislative fun, Donald Trump jr shouldn’t mix politics with trophy hunting. The Argali sheep he killed in Mongolia is a species protected under the U S endangered species act and there’s a reason for it. Its numbers are in steep decline and Mongolia’s murky permitting system for trophy hunting has done nothing but exacerbate the decline.
Dr Lori Kirshner: This was bad judgment on his part to say the very least.
Dr Peter Spiegel: It’s so pathetic, Lori. You know, going, going, Oh, I’ve got to get a sheep. I know, I know. Can’t you just put it on a hold? Also, while your dad’s president, can you just refrain for a couple of years?
Dr Lori Kirshner: I know. Apparently he’s not posting or sharing any pictures of him and the sheep. But at the bottom of this article if you want to take a look at it, there’s another guy, I can’t remember who it was posing with one of these huge beautiful sheep after he killed them.
Dr Peter Spiegel: I dunno what to say, Lori. There’s a little good news about the population of humpback whales in the South Atlantic. It turns out that there ae numbers thanks to a new method of tracking them and estimating how many there are, are at greater than previously thought. And now the estimate is that there are about 25,000 of them in that part of the seas. That’s great. At the turn of the last century, that was the number that is estimated to have been living in those waters. And then you know, they were hunted almost to extinction following the passage of the international whaling commission moratorium on commercial wailings in the 1980s. The numbers started to rebound, but evidently they’re doing a much better than people have thought this was reported in the Royal society, Open science journal. So great news for those humpbacks. I love looking at them, especially when you can, they’re breaching and you can just see nearly their whole body in the air. And that. Great. So beautiful.
Dr Peter Spiegel: And Laurie back to New York city. This is reported by the New York daily news and there’s a great video about this. Also a professional violinist named Martin Agee. He has been volunteering at the ASPCA’s Upper East Side shelter. And you know what he does? He takes his violin and sits down and plays for the dogs. So sweet. Yeah. And he wanted to become a volunteer about three years ago. He wanted to do that as a way of dealing with the loss of his own dog who died of cancer.
Dr Lori Kirshner: So music has proven to Sue the shelter dogs and calm them down. Correct.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Well, this is what he said. The reactions I get from the dogs are stunning. I go in and these guys are chaotic and running around and barking and then I take the violin out and they immediately quiet down and stand by the front of the kennel so they can see me and hear me. That’s incredible. I’ve spent a lot of time on stage under bright lights, sort of feeling like the world is watching . Here, The world that’s watching are my best friends that are wagging their tails. Sweet. Yeah. He also says it’s calming for them, but it’s also beneficial for me. Also commenting was Matt Burke, shad Kirk, he’s the president and CEO of the ASP CA. He said that socializing, anxious animals can take many forms and Martins music is a great example of how it reduces stress. It gets them used to new sights and sounds and ultimately makes them more ready for adoption, so we’d love that and go check out the video its really sweet. Okay.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Thanks for tuning into the show. Don’t go away. We’ve got to take a break. We’ll be right.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Yeah.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Welcome back to animals today. Okay. It’s winter. Winter. It’s cold out there. Cold here in Palm Springs. I had to put my a sweater on today. I could still wear my shorts though. That’s unusual for usually walk the dogs. Yeah, shorts and tee shirt.
Dr Peter Spiegel: But speaking of cold, there’s a neat video that I saw featuring the football chief’s, Tyran Matthew. He has got the nickname Honey badger cause he’s a really aggressive and he’s evidently quite good. I haven’t been following football that much recently Lori because you’ve got me so busy around the house. But Mr Matthew, he’s a teaming up with PETA for his second video and in this one they are putting him in an actual, freezer and he lasted about 20 minutes and boy does he look uncomfortable after awhile point that they are trying to make is that when you tether a dog or leave a dog outside in the cold freezing weather, it’s really, really rotten and it’s not a nice thing to do.
Dr Peter Spiegel: You should bring them indoors. The water freezes, right? You can’t drink your water, your food freezes. What good is a gnawing on frozen food and it’s just a cruel bad thing to do. And they wanted to illustrate the pain of being in the cold weather. And so Mr. Matthew did it and it’s a pretty good video I have to say.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Makes the point. Yeah. So I think about all the idiots out there who leave their dogs tethered outside during these cold months. It really is so sad.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Okay. Lori, here is another sports story. The Los Angeles Lakers, they are teaming up with the company beyond meat. That’s their new official plant based meat partner. They’re going to collaborate and offer unique opportunities to introduce fans to the taste of their food. That’s really fascinating. The Lakers meet together partners. Yeah, it really is. And one of the Lakers players, a center named JaVale McGee. He’s very good player. I haven’t been following basketball too much either, but he has switched to a plant based diet. He says it’s been a literal game changer. So he’s really excited to be bringing together Los Angeles Lakers and the company.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Do you think he’s to get his teammates to try the burger? I hope so. Well, it’s better than eating a McDonald’s or a burger King burger.
Dr Peter Spiegel: You know, I have to agree with you on that. And you know, there’s the impossible burger. There’s the beyond burger. Those are the two leaders right now compared to each other. They have a similar amount of protein and calories. They also contain fiber, which real meat does not. But really these burgers, they’re you know, useful for occasional eating. You don’t want to live on them. They both have a fair amount of sodium, so just keep that in mind.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Right. In terms of health, nothing’s going to beat an unprocessed whole food plant based diet, but it’s certainly healthier than the meat alternatives and it’s much better for the animals. Yeah. I don’t know if you saw this Peter. This is from the guardian. There’s a video out there showing a polar bear in Russia. Spray painted with graffiti on him, so some disturbed human thought It would be fun to spray paint in black on the bear side of the body. The letters T – 34 you know what that is? T – 34 is the name of a second world war era Soviet tank and some Russians often paint this T – 34 on their cars for the victory day holiday marking the end of the second world war. Now the scientists are concerned that the Bureau will have trouble hunting and maintaining camouflage. Scientists are speculating that the bear would have had been sedated for some to paint the letters on his body. They’re trying to identify where the video was shot. Apparently the Bear was walking near a road and unknown location in Russia. According to the guardian, the video of the bear was uploaded to Facebook by a world wildlife Federation employee based in Russia’s far East.
Dr Lori Kirshner: He said he received the footage through a WhatsApp chat group and the guy who uploaded this video wrote why he won’t be able to hunt without being noticed. Oh, there’s just so many stupid people out there, Peter.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Well, it’s nice to know that they’re outside of the United States also, I guess, but though there’s a lot of stupid people here too. It’s really terrible. I know. Goodness. What are they thinking?
Dr Lori Kirshner: I know Peter, I have a great story. This is from the Dodo. Here’s yet another story of a pit bull coming to the rescue. Simba, a sweet pit bull was living in apartment with his owner and of course just because he’s a pit bull, many people in the building would go out of their way to avoid him. Especially an older woman who lives a floor below. The owner of the dog told Dodo that he meaning the pit bull always tried to greet her, the older woman, but she called him mean and looked at him with fear. She never liked him because he was a bad breed. So one day Simba and the owner were returning from a walk and as they were on their way up the stairs, they pass by the neighbor’s unit. And just at that moment, Simba started to act strangely as he stopped and began to bark and run to the woman’s front door, the owner tried to pull the leash, but Simba refused to come. So when the owner moved to pick up the dog and move him, he heard a voice coming from the inside and the owner States I heard a weak voice shout for help. She said, please don’t go. The door’s unlocked. He opened the door and the woman had collapsed on the floor, broke her hip, and was there on the floor for two days, two days, two days. So we called an ambulance and Simba and his owner waited until it arrived.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Now, this old woman who’s recovering, by the way, she’s gonna be fine, realize this dog’s a hero and probably saved her life. She said, thank you for hearing me. I thought she was talking to me at first, but then she said, no, not you. The nice doggy. And then when you know what Peter, other residents in the building also considered Simba to be hero and now giving Simba treats and gifts. I know Simba is a wonderful dog, the owner said, but I hope this event will make people see bully breeds differently. We as humans must deserve their loyalty and love.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Very nice. Okay. Lori consolidation in the pet health insurance industry. Okay, you love this style. I like this. Or maybe it’s just a big fish eating a little fish or maybe it’s kind of a merger. I don’t know. But there is a, a pet insurance company called pet first and they added minister insurance on more than 40,000 pets. Okay. And they are reputable company, I’m told. Well, MetLife, they are the big human insurance company. They are acquiring pet first. They believe the pet insurance market really is a much smaller than it could be and that there’s a real opportunity to grow the market significantly. There are roughly 85 million families that own pets in United States and they spend about $18 billion annually on veterinary care. Yet as of 2018 less than 2% of pets were insured. And a MetLife is going to change that. And one of the ideas that they have is to try to offer pet insurance as part of an employee benefits package. Oh, I like that. Yeah. So you can just a check the box and get your little insurance policy for your dogs. We should do this, don’t you think?
Dr Lori Kirshner: Yes. We should have done this. A lot of time. We should for each and all of our animals.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Yeah. So there you go. Metlife big fish eating a little. Okay.
Dr Lori Kirshner: Okay. That was fun. You’re listening to animals today.
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Dr Peter Spiegel: I am very pleased to welcome author Preston Cook because I have been enjoying immensely his new book titled American Eagle, a visual history of our national emblem. Hello Preston.
Preston Cook: Hello Peter.
Dr Peter Spiegel: I am really happy to be speaking about this with you and sharing it with our audience. And I want to de scribe what I have here in front of me. It’s a large format, hardcover, full color. It’s just a treasure. It’s produced and printed to the very highest standard. And it’s all about the American bald Eagle as it relates to many elements and events in our country. And it’s Genesis is your personal collection. Tell us about your prodigious collecting please.
Preston Cook: Well, I started collecting many years ago after seeing a movie called a thousand clowns. And there was one line in the movie, you can’t have too many Eagles. And this is back in 1965 66. And II just grabbed that theme, those six words really changed my life. I just started collecting Eagle items. But a few months later I was drafted into the military and I was issued this dress uniform that had these beautiful brass buttons that were gold plated and they had Eagles on them. So I cut those off two years later when I was dis-charged. And those still remain the first Eagles and my favorite Eagles in the collection. And I wear them whenever I wear my blue blazer. And they’ve probably been sewn on half a dozen blue blazers in the last 50 years. And after, after I left the military, I went to college and didn’t have a lot of money, but I started collecting postcards and pins and buttons and letters and other items, stamps and other items and that, over the years, as I became a little more successful, I started buying more and more items and, and all of a sudden I, I guess I got a little carried away and I’ve got about 25,000 items in the collection now and they’re really based on about 60 different areas. So the book is s based on eight chapters. So a chapter on the military and a chapter on commerce attached, chapter on the natural Eagle and one on entertainment and culture. And these are all the ways that, ,t Eagle was used in our society, in our history and our culture ove the, over the past 230 odd years.
Dr Peter Spiegel: And what motivated putting this Atlas together?
Preston Cook: Well, a couple of reasons for the book and one is, one is based on the museum. I really had an idea of a museum. There is no museum in America that is dedicated to the bald Eagle or the golden Eagle for that matter. But of course, the bald Eagle is a symbol of America. It’s on the great seal, which was established in 1782. So the, I found out that, that there were few exhibits over the 230 some odd years so museum dedicated to this wonderful, great bird. This, living symbol is America. So I thought I would collect enough sufficient amount to create a museum. But then in order to sell a museum to tell people about a museum, I had to have a way to show what the collection is. So I decided on a book and spent seven and a half years, , wing this book. So it was a labor of love. I had a great time doing it. It was very challenging. It was very difficult at times. , But ry rewarding. Also, I’m putting this book together. I was, I really wanted to show the extent of the use of the Eagle and our society and, and there’s never been such a book written, , this been this extensively showing how the Eagle is used and how people use it on a daily basis. So not only items that you would see in a museum or an art gallery, but this is based on the daily use of, of the Eagle. And it could be on a dollar bill or it could be on a postcard you receive or it could be on a stamp or a coin. , That’s really what I wanted to show, the common use of the Eagle and then how it, how it represents us. So all these different, different areas.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Now the museum you refer to, is that the national Eagle center?
Preston Cook: Well I spent some years, actually almost a decade trying to determine where a museum should be and I really felt that a museum should be his really symbolic museum of the Eagle should be adjacent to live birds. And I chose the national Eagle center, which is in Wabishaw, Minnesota, right on the Mississippi river. It’s a beautiful little town, a historic town. And so spending a couple of years negotiating with them on o the terms and conditions of my donation. , Weve, we came to terms several years ago and so I have donated the entire collection, and an endowment for the creation of the museum. So the museum is coming along very nicely with an expansion. , It about an $18 million project. , They have committed about 10 million to date. , So we well on our way, , when u have the real estate where we’ll be restoring 4 historic buildings from the 1880s, 1890s, that are adjacent to the existing 15,000 square foot Eagle center. So the Eagle center has the live birds, which I was really looking for. And it’s one of the few places in America where you can get up close to the birds and really watch them and see them, , feed see them, bathe and, and almost interact with them. You can get pretty close. So it’s, it’s exciting and, and it’s a wonderful educational institution on its own. But the added dimension of a symbolic Eagle museum, I think will add greatly to, to an existing successful organization.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Now, I wanted to highlight an example or two of art from the book back to the book. For instance, the national recovery administration NRA. You’ve included some really interesting art related to it. What was the NRA and how is it’s Eagle depicted?
Preston Cook: Well, the national recovery administration was created by president Roosevelt in 1933. It encouraged collective bargaining and encouraged fair wages and minimum wage and work hours. it was embraced by almost all businesses and it was very successful. And, is, the John Coiner came up with this blue Eagle, what was called the blue Eagle, and it represents industry and it represents energy. I was just iconic figure that was used just, it’s an in store windows and in plaques and, and in every way possible in flags and banners. And it was very successful until the Supreme court about a year later, ,disbanded with the organization and, , it went out of business. However, there, there’s numerous examples and I have dozens and dozens of examples of how the blue Eagle was used, , during those years.
Dr Peter Spiegel: And in its talons. You’ve got, I think, a gear and then like lightning bolts.
Preston Cook: Yeah. Yeah. So the gear represents industry. Yeah. And then the lightning belt represents energy yet, and a work and determination. So so it had those, those symbolic with, the Eagle. And of course, the Eagle allegorically represented America.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Now we almost drove the bald Eagle into extinction. For our younger listeners who may not be familiar with the story. Tell us briefly about the heroin at Rachel Carson please. Well, TDT really was probably the leading chemical that impacted the bald Eagle and a lot of other Osprey and a lot of other birds and animals, including humans. Then it was spraying just Willy nilly during the fifties. I mean, I remember running after trucks that had these huge fans behind them, spraying DDT into the air and then into trees, it was very effective in, in curtailing mosquito activity, but it also impacted, in the waterways because it ended up in the waterways and then it ended up in the fish and then the Eagles would eat the fish and then this chemical would process through the eagle and the eggs were very thin. They became very, very thin and brittle. And they just were, they were crushed by the Eagle sitting on the eggs. So it did tremendous damage to the Eagle. So DDT was one of the reasons, but there was destruction of forests was the other one and electrocution by wires by high wires there was a lot of road kill on Eagles that, , there were alongside the road. So there was a multitude of reasons, but DDT really was the major reason. This chemical in our system that there was over used, it was abused, it was overused. And then a fellow named Charles Broley and he discovered this. And then when silent spring came out early in 1962, Rachel Carson brought this up and brought up Charles parolees studies and 10 years later in 1972, DDT was banned. So that was a good thing that it was banned. , However it still was applied in certain areas, but it now is applied, in such a way that it doesn’t harm the environment. So it’s still effective. They’ve learned a lot about it. And it is helpful deterrent to many oft diseases that are created by mosquitoes.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Yeah, it was a very close call for our Eagles. And now they are thriving, aren’t they?
Preston Cook: Well, it’s a successful program. I mean, it’s a tremendous successful, successful program on bringing back the Bald Eagle. They go one from the figures run from a hundred thousand to 500,000 in 1500, which is a rough count in America down to 417 nesting pair in the lower 48. So we almost lost our, our symbol. It was very close. And now they are in every single state except Hawaii. But they were never in Hawaii in the first place. But in all 49 States, they are now thriving. So that it’s a, it’s one of the more successful environmental stories that we have. And of course, it’s the symbol of America. And it would have been a shame to lose the symbol of America, which, which we came very close to doing. In fact, it was one chapter. The Audubon society started thinking that we may need a new symbol for America since they felt that we may not be able to have the bald Eagles anymore.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Well that’s the first time I’ve heard that. That is really a sign of the desperation we’ve been speaking with Preston cook. The book is American Eagle, a visual history of our national emblem. Thank you very much Preston.
Preston Cook: Thank you for your good remarks about the book, Peter and the transition of the natural Eagle into the symbolic Eagle, which is what this book shows. Thank you Peter.
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Speaker 6: The holidays are here and we want to remind you of a few things that you can do to keep your dogs and cats safe and happy this season. First, make sure the Christmas tree is secure and cannot fall over and that tree ornaments which can be eaten are out of reach and make sure the trees water, which can get overgrown with bacteria is covered so no one will drink it. Holiday plants like Holly, mistletoe and poinsettias are toxic to pets and be especially careful with lilies which can cause kidney failure in cats. If adjusted electrical wires should be covered or out of reach and use extra care with candles or avoid using them at all. Cats love to play with and eat tinsel, which can lead to intestinal problems and even surgery. So we suggest avoiding tinsel altogether. Don’t let your pets eat chocolate alcohol table scraps or anything sweetened with xylitol. And of course, don’t give them or let them eat any bones which could splinter and lodge in the throat or block the intestines. And remember, the holidays can be very stressful for your companion animals. So make sure your dogs and cats have a nice quiet place they can retreat to away from your guests so they can rest and sleep in peace. So happy holidays from everyone at Advancing the Interests of Animals. Visit them at www.aianimals.org that’s www.aianimals.org
Dr Peter Spiegel: I want to introduce a charming and visually stunning book for youths titled Humanimal incredible ways Animals are just like us. It’s author, Christopher Lloyd is with us now. Welcome Christopher and congratulations.
Mr Lloyd: Well, thank you very much, Peter. It’s lovely to be here.
Dr Peter Spiegel: So I just received my copy of the other day and I paged through it for like just a moment or two. And I said to Lori, she’s the boss around here. I said, Lori, I really want to talk to Christopher. I love this book. So, so tell us what it’s all about please.
Mr Lloyd: Well, it’s called Humanimal and Humanimal is the name of the book. Because I started off this book wondering w in what ways humans are really special or different from other living things. And I did this because the previous book I wrote last year, it was called absolutely everything. And it’s, it’s a, it’s a book that goes from the beginning of time to the present day looking at the whole history of everything in a simple, fun, easy to read book for anyone aged eight to 88. And at the end of the book I, I left, I found myself asking this question whether how special are we and how many things that happen in human culture or also happening in the animal world. And I thought this would make an interesting topic for a new book. So I kind of thought about the key themes that most people would say are special to humans. Like we’re social creatures. We have to live together. We work in teams and we live in cities and we show off. And then we’re creatures with great feelings and deep feelings, you know, go to any Shakespeare play. And all the emotions of humanity are played out by the actors there of love and grief and aggression and everything. And finally, intelligence, most people would say, well, humans, you know, were more intelligent than you had a creature. We can put someone on the moon. ,E, we solve puzzles. We, we, we use tools, we invent things. And I thought, let’s take those big three big things and let’s now look across the whole spectrum of the animal world and see if they’re also happening out there. And I was so amazed to work with a whole range of different animal experts and they’re all listed and profiled in the back of the book, actually about 14 of them to find all these things that people would naturally think are unique to people have been happening for millions, if not hundreds of billions of years in the animal world.
Mr Lloyd: So this is a book packed full of stories of incredible ways animals are just like us. And I called it Humana book cause I thought, but maybe we should think about the language we use. And one of my heroes in nonfiction writing is George Orwell, who you may remember wrote animal farm. And he wrote also a wonderful essay called politics in the English language where he said, if you want to change people’s behavior, start with the language. So I thought maybe let’s have a new world. Let’s all be the same kind of creatures. Let’s be Humana malls, whether it’s a dog or a cat or as a human or whether it’s a B and BS. I discovered actually vote in elections as to where they locate their nest from one year to another. Just like we vote in elections. It’s happening there in the animal world. Termites live in giant big skyscrapers, you know, their nests compared with the size of their bodies and make Manhattan look, you know, midget and actually they live millions of them inside these incredible nest where they all do different things and they have air conditioning systems. And you know, they are just like us. We have creatures that, you know, an octopus can turn red with anger, just like a human being could turn their face red with anger. We find creatures that the grief, they are dead whether they’re elephants or, or, or whales or, or Onobos and chimpanzees. And through this realization I thought, let’s call this Humanimal. Let’s let the empathy between ourselves and other species flow. Let’s not divide things up with language. Let’s unite them together. And I’m hoping many of your readers will sympathize with that and that they’ll really enjoy the different vignettes that I’ve laid out in this book. Humanimal more incredible ways. Animals are just like us.
Dr Peter Spiegel: So the topics that you’ve chosen, some of the concepts there are quite a sophisticated and yet indeed, it’s an illustrated book, beautifully illustrated. So even youngsters can start with this.
Mr Lloyd: Oh, absolutely. And I do not believe in patronizing to children at all.
Dr Peter Spiegel: No. Obviously
Mr Lloyd: The age at the age of seven, eight, nine, 10, they are a peak curiosity. And that’s why I visit today. I visited three schools. I’m in Cincinnati tomorrow. I’ll do the same and then I fly to China and I’ll be visiting schools there next week. And all the time I find myself surrounded by incredible brains that you know, haven’t quite hit puberty, haven’t been distracted by public exams, that don’t have to worry about a job and a mortgage, you know, and the human brain when it’s unleashed in that way is spectacular. Like animal brains are spectacular. Of course. Like you, we’re all Humanimals. So and so it’s a real pleasure to take some of the leading, cutting edge science that’s in this book and make it accessible and visually exciting, r younger people. And I think it’s really important we give real science to young people because for many years, scientists kind of, a lot of them poo-pooed the idea that, you know, animals were very similar to humans, they called it being anthro anthropomorphizing just to create a nice fancy word that nobody can really pronounce. To say that, you know, dogs have real feelings or, you know, cats get angry or whatever saying we’re projecting our feelings. Actually the modern research is that that is not so, you know, the actually the nerve endings in a fish are the same nerve endings that we have. And of course that makes sense because over 400 million years we adapted from fish that came out of the sea onto the land. And many of the drugs that are used on humans have the same impact on animals. That’s why they test them on animals after all. So waking up to this realization that actually there’s a tremendous amount more in common than there is that divides us is at the heart of the concept of this book.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Well, Christopher Lloyd is just a wonderful accomplishment and it’s been a pleasure speaking with you. I wish we had more time. Tell us the title of the book and of course people can get it anywhere these days. Right,
Mr Lloyd: Right. So it’s called Humanimal- incredible ways Animals are just like us by Christopher Lloyd and illustrated by Mark ruffle and he’s done a wonderful job. It’s of course only click away on Amazon or online bookstores. But I would really encourage your listeners to go to their local independent bookshop because it should be there too. And if it isn’t, they can order it and get it the next day. And I’m a great fan of trying to support independent booksellers because they’re passionate people and they do wonderful jobs and, and as much support that’s possible. It can only be a good thing.
Dr Peter Spiegel: Christopher Lloyd. Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter. Take care.
Dr Lori Kirshner: And thank you for tuning into animals today. This is Dr Lori Kirshner encouraging you to nurture your love and compassion for the only other beings sharing our planet, the animals.